Another Concise (short) Rebuttal (counterclaim, reply) To A Dumb Argument Against Same Sex Marriage

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There is an interesting conversation going on on a Youtube video about same sex marriage, and whether you are being oppressive if you speak out against it. Here is one comment:

Oppression?  Give me a break!  Supporting marriage, as it was meant to be, (one man, one woman)  is not oppression, it’s preserving the human race.

Here is my reply:

I’m gay, and I, like all gays, I concur and whole heartedly join you in your support of marriages between one man and one woman. We also support extending the right / privilege to same sex couples. Gays are probably only about a 5 % of the population, and of that 5 %, about 20 % of those would choose to take that path. Statistically, that would be about .01 % of the population who would be entering into same sex unions.

Since people can and often do have babies without getting married, which means the human race is quite capable of preserving itself quite nicely, how is allowing and extending marriage to about .01 % of the population going to destroy the human race???????

I’m just asking.

Here’s the video that sparked the conversation.

UPDATE: And it gets more interesting. After one commenter notes “To condone sin is a sin, we are to be for God’s word and not what the world wants!”, I respond:

“OK… So why not leave the argument at that, instead of making stuff up about preserving the human race.

Now that we agree on that point, could you come back and list some of the times you’ve condoned other sins? Because I’m betting you’ve not taken the same stand with family and friends who you knew were committing other sins… It’s just that Gays are icky.?”

The reply?


Note that my question is never addressed. By not responding, the commenter seems to be admitting she is willing to ignore other sins in order to go after the favorite bugaboo. So, this statement “To condone sin is a sin” is meaningless then, isn’t it.

A Concise (short) Rebuttal (counterclaim, reply) To The One Dumb Argument Against Same Sex Marriage

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“I, ______, take you, ______, to be my wife/husband. I promise to be true to you in good times and in bad, in sickness and in health. I will love you and honor you all the days of my life.”

“I, ______, take you, ______, for my lawful wife/husband, to have and to hold from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and health, until death do us part.

I, (name), take you, (name), to be my [opt: lawfully wedded] (husband/wife), my constant friend, my faithful partner and my love from this day forward. In the presence of God, our family and friends, I offer you my solemn vow to be your faithful partner in sickness and in health, in good times and in bad, and in joy as well as in sorrow. I promise to love you unconditionally, to support you in your goals, to honor and respect you, to laugh with you and cry with you, and to cherish you for as long as we both shall live.

(Name), I take you to be my lawfully wedded (husband/wife). Before these witnesses I vow to love you and care for you as long as we both shall live. I take you with all your faults and your strengths as I offer myself to you with my faults and strengths. I will help you when you need help, and I will turn to you when I need help. I choose you as the person with whom I will spend my life.

I, (name), take you, (name), to be my beloved (wife/husband), to have and to hold you, to honor you, to treasure you, to be at your side in sorrow and in joy, in the good times, and in the bad, and to love and cherish you always. I promise you this from my heart, for all the days of my life.

In the name of God, I, ______, take you, ______, to be my wife/husband, to have and to hold from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and health, to love and to cherish, until we are parted by death. This is my solemn vow.

______, wilt thou have this woman/man to be thy wife/husband, and wilt thou pledge thy faith to him/her, in all love and honor, in all duty and service, in all faith and tenderness, to live with her/him, and cherish her/him, according to the ordinance of God, in the holy bond of marriage?

All these quotes are, of course, traditional wedding vows: Roman Catholic, Presbyterian, Episcopalian, etc. Note the common themes – love and cherish, honor, richer / poorer, sickness / health, till death do us part.

The one thing you don’t see?

Now get down and have them big babies!!!!!!!!

It may be important to do, and marriage may make the bond between people who chose to be parent more permanent, but unlike “loving” and “cherishing” and “honoring” and staying together “Till death do us part”, having a child is an option, and not part of the pledge a couple makes, in front of God, or otherwise.

So please just stop using procreation as a reason why gay couples can’t get married.