{"id":1096,"date":"2008-12-05T06:21:35","date_gmt":"2008-12-05T06:21:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/?p=1096"},"modified":"2008-12-05T06:21:35","modified_gmt":"2008-12-05T06:21:35","slug":"the-settled-science-looks-a-little-unsettling","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/?p=1096","title":{"rendered":"The Settled Science Looks A Little Unsettling."},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"padding-bottom:20px; padding-top:10px;\" class=\"hupso-share-buttons\"><!-- Hupso Share Buttons - https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/ --><a class=\"hupso_toolbar\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/\"><img src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/buttons\/share-medium.png\" style=\"border:0px; padding-top: 5px; float:left;\" alt=\"Share Button\"\/><\/a><script type=\"text\/javascript\">var hupso_services_t=new Array(\"Twitter\",\"Facebook\",\"Google Plus\",\"Pinterest\",\"Linkedin\",\"StumbleUpon\",\"Digg\",\"Reddit\",\"Bebo\",\"Delicious\");var hupso_background_t=\"#EAF4FF\";var hupso_border_t=\"#66CCFF\";var hupso_toolbar_size_t=\"medium\";var hupso_image_folder_url = \"\";var hupso_url_t=\"\";var hupso_title_t=\"The%20Settled%20Science%20Looks%20A%20Little%20Unsettling.\";<\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/js\/share_toolbar.js\"><\/script><!-- Hupso Share Buttons --><\/div><p>Al Gore once said:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;\">For a long time, the <strong>scientists have been                                          telling us global warming increases the                                          temperature of the top layer in the ocean<\/strong>,                                          and that causes the average hurricane                                          to become a lot stronger. So, the <em><strong>fact<\/strong><\/em> that the ocean temperatures did go up                                          because of global warming, because of                                          man-made global warming, starting around                                          in the seventies and then we had a string                                          of unusually strong hurricanes outside                                          the boundaries of this multi-decadal cycle                                          that is a real factor; there are scientists                                          who point that out, and they&#8217;re right,                                          but we&#8217;re exceeding those boundaries now.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Except the scientist who have been saying <a href=\"http:\/\/www.weatherquestions.com\/Global-warming-natural-PDO.htm\">it&#8217;s the other way around<\/a>, that the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ac.wwu.edu\/~dbunny\/research\/global\/glopubs.htm\">oceans have been driving the temperature rise of the late 20th century<\/a>. Those who has followed the skeptical arguments over Anthropogenic Global Warming are very much aware of the statistical <a href=\"http:\/\/www.climateaudit.org\/index.php?p=166\">&#8220;output mining&#8221;<\/a> used by Michael Mann and Phil Jones to generate the proof that CO2 is the main driver in the current 50 year warming trend.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.worldclimatereport.com\/index.php\/2008\/12\/03\/rethinking-observed-warming\/\">A new paper<\/a> to be published in the climate journal <a href=\"http:\/\/www.springerlink.com\/earth-and-environmental-science\/\"><em>Climate Dynamics<\/em><\/a> supports the notion that most of the observed warming can be explained by changes in ocean temperatures. The study, presented at the U.N.&#8217;s Climate Change Conference in Poland this week, was conducted by Gilbert Compo and Prashant Sardeshmukh, who are associated with the Climate Diagnostics Center, Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences and Physical Sciences Division, Earth System Research Laboratory, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. The work was supported financially by the NOAA Climate Program Office. Here is the abstract:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cEvidence is presented that the recent worldwide land warming has occurred largely in response to a worldwide warming of the oceans rather than as a direct response to increasing greenhouse gases (GHGs) over land.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>You could shoot back that the atmosphere warmed the ocean, so what you are seeing is the result of changes in ocean temps due to man made global warming. But how do you prove that that&#8217;s the case and not the other way around. What many have assumed over the last thirty years, is that the atmosphere was affecting ocean temps, causing them to rise. Basic thermodynamics would show that the atmosphere, in its current composition, is quick to change temps, use the different between day to night for example. A large body of water, on the other hand, does not change temperature quickly.\u00a0 Warmer oceans will much more easily change the atmosphere that the other way around. .<\/p>\n<p>I work with spa&#8217;s and hot tubs, and based on personal experience I can tell you it takes a heck of a lot of energy and time to change the temperature of water. In a basic spa, heat is generated by applying electricity to a heat element. and water flowing around it absorbs the heat. If I take the heat element out of the water, and use it to heat the air just above the water, you would get almost no heat transfer (plus the heat element would explode, but that&#8217;s a different story).<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;OK Bright Boy! If the ocean isn&#8217;t getting heated by the atmosphere, then where, pray tell, is the heat coming from?????&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Ocean heat can be driven around in all sorts of ways. The ocean is not a standing body of water, there are all sorts of currents and convection occurring within them. You have wind driven currents, which moves surface heat around. You have underwater volcanic activity in various points on the ocean floor, heating the water in the deep. That water will rise toward the surface. You have cold fresh water sinking from melting ice in the arctic, which displaces the warmer waters around it, causing it to rise to the surface. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.appinsys.com\/GlobalWarming\/PDO_AMO.htm\">The Pacific Decadal Oscilation<\/a> and the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.appinsys.com\/GlobalWarming\/PDO_AMO.htm#amo\">Atlantic Multi-Decadal Oscilation<\/a> are two examples of ocean heat variations. Note that the positive PDO correlates very very well with U.S. temps over the last one hundred years. 1933 and 1998 were peak years in temp, and were among the hottest years in U.S. temps on record. Also notice the drop in PDO anomalies in 2000, and we see the same drop in U.S. temps. The thing to remember is that we do not have nearly as much information bout the goings on in the oceans as we do on land.<\/p>\n<p>But back to the report at hand.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cAtmospheric model simulations of the last half-century with prescribed observed ocean temperature changes, but without prescribed GHG (CO2) changes, account for most of the land warming.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>So, if these guys are right, CO2 and other minute gases only play a small, maybe very small role in the current warming periods.<\/p>\n<p>Al Gore &#8211; Stuff It I Your Hat!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<div style=\"padding-bottom:20px; padding-top:10px;\" class=\"hupso-share-buttons\"><!-- Hupso Share Buttons - https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/ --><a class=\"hupso_toolbar\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/\"><img src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/buttons\/share-medium.png\" style=\"border:0px; padding-top: 5px; float:left;\" alt=\"Share Button\"\/><\/a><script type=\"text\/javascript\">var hupso_services_t=new Array(\"Twitter\",\"Facebook\",\"Google Plus\",\"Pinterest\",\"Linkedin\",\"StumbleUpon\",\"Digg\",\"Reddit\",\"Bebo\",\"Delicious\");var hupso_background_t=\"#EAF4FF\";var hupso_border_t=\"#66CCFF\";var hupso_toolbar_size_t=\"medium\";var hupso_image_folder_url = \"\";var hupso_url_t=\"\";var hupso_title_t=\"The%20Settled%20Science%20Looks%20A%20Little%20Unsettling.\";<\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/js\/share_toolbar.js\"><\/script><!-- Hupso Share Buttons --><\/div><p>Al Gore once said: For a long time, the scientists have been telling us global warming increases the temperature of the top layer in the ocean, and that causes the average hurricane to become a lot stronger. So, the fact that the ocean temperatures did go up because of global warming, because of man-made global [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[1],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1096"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1096"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1096\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1096"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1096"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1096"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}