{"id":2449,"date":"2009-11-17T19:18:37","date_gmt":"2009-11-17T19:18:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/?p=2449"},"modified":"2009-11-18T03:25:27","modified_gmt":"2009-11-18T03:25:27","slug":"fisking-andrew-sullivan","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/?p=2449","title":{"rendered":"Fisking Andrew Sullivan"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"padding-bottom:20px; padding-top:10px;\" class=\"hupso-share-buttons\"><!-- Hupso Share Buttons - https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/ --><a class=\"hupso_toolbar\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/\"><img src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/buttons\/share-medium.png\" style=\"border:0px; padding-top: 5px; float:left;\" alt=\"Share Button\"\/><\/a><script type=\"text\/javascript\">var hupso_services_t=new Array(\"Twitter\",\"Facebook\",\"Google Plus\",\"Pinterest\",\"Linkedin\",\"StumbleUpon\",\"Digg\",\"Reddit\",\"Bebo\",\"Delicious\");var hupso_background_t=\"#EAF4FF\";var hupso_border_t=\"#66CCFF\";var hupso_toolbar_size_t=\"medium\";var hupso_image_folder_url = \"\";var hupso_url_t=\"\";var hupso_title_t=\"Fisking%20Andrew%20Sullivan\";<\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/js\/share_toolbar.js\"><\/script><!-- Hupso Share Buttons --><\/div><p>First, let me say that I have no problem with reasonable criticism and fact check when it comes to ANY political candidate celebrity type person, of the like of Barrack Obama or Sarah Palin. Sullivan has this THING about Palin that just grinds his gears. He can&#8217;t get her out of his system. Some of his criticism towards her has been spot on, but he goes way over the deep end, especially when it concerns baby Trig. Today he posted on the inconsistency of her reaction on the McCain campaign pulling out of Michigan.  He writes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Here we go again. Yesterday, Sarah Palin said the following to Oprah Winfrey on the air:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>WINFREY: Didn\u2019t several times they say to you when actually you mentioned, when you were talking about pulling out of Michigan and you said I wished we\u2019d stayed in Michigan. Weren\u2019t you told then, Sarah just stay on script?<\/p>\n<p>PALIN: Right, told after wards and that, that was always puzzling to me because if I were to respond to a reporter\u2019s questions very candidly, honestly, for instance, they say, \u201cwhat do you think about the campaign pulling out of Michigan\u201d and I think, \u201cdarn I wish we weren\u2019t. Every vote matters, I can\u2019t wait to get back to Michigan\u201d and then told afterwards that, \u201coh, you screwed up. You went rogue on us Sarah, you\u2019re not supposed to be.\u201d And my reminder to the campaign was, I didn\u2019t know we pulled out of Michigan. My entire VP team, we didn\u2019t know that we had pulled out. I\u2019m sorry, I apologize, but speaking candidly to a reporter.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Then he continues:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>This was a lie. And we know it was a lie the way we know that 33 other statements by Palin are lies &#8211; because objective reality proves it so. On October 3, as Matt Corley explains, Palin told Carl Cameron that she disagreed with the decision to pull out of Michigan. How can she have disagreed with something that she now says she didn&#8217;t know at the time? Here&#8217;s the money section of the Cameron interview:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>CAMERON: Thanks very much, Governor. I&#8217;m going get the hook. I have one quick political question for you that if I don&#8217;t ask you, I would be (INAUDIBLE).<\/p>\n<p>Yesterday, just before the debate it was announced that the campaign was going to withdraw some of its exercises in Michigan, essentially leave Michigan for Obama to win. What&#8217;s going on there?<\/p>\n<p>PALIN: Well, that&#8217;s not a surprise because the polls are showing we&#8217;re not doing as well there, evidently, as we would like to. But, I (INAUDIBLE) up this morning, also. I fired a quick e-mail and said, oh, come on. Do we have to call it there? Todd and I would happy to get to Michigan and walk through those plants where car manufacturers [sic].<\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;d be so happy to get to speak with the people there in Michigan, who are hurting because the economy is hurting. Whatever we can do and whatever Todd and I can do in realizing what their challenges in that state are, as we can relate to them and connect with them and promise them that we won&#8217;t let them down in the administration. I want to get<br \/>\nback to Michigan and I want to try.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>I have no idea how Andrew determines that these two statements contradict each other. The point she makes in both quotes is that she was not in the loop of the decision-making process that led to the campaign pulling out of Michigan, and that she didn&#8217;t get the message to &#8220;stay on point&#8221; until after they had left the area, and she was still harping on that decision&#8230;..<\/p>\n<p>Crap. I want to defend Palin. I really do. I though that I could decipher her pidgin-English-Palin speak to mean that she didn&#8217;t know she was going rogue, and it almost worked. But I just can&#8217;t twist it and turn it enough and make it work. In the Oprah interview she seems to be saying not only that she was not involved in the decision making process, but that she was not told even AFTER the decision had been made. She says clearly  &#8221; <em>And my reminder to the campaign was, I didn\u2019t know we pulled out of Michigan. My entire VP team, we didn\u2019t know that we had pulled out. I\u2019m sorry, I apologize, but speaking candidly to a reporter.<\/em>&#8220;. As much as I try, I can&#8217;t get that line to jibe with the fact that she did know as evidenced by the e-mail. The campaign announced the retreat from Michigan on Oct 2nd, she sent the e-mail first thing in the morning on the 3rd. Which means she knew the day before. And in the Cameron interview she says: &#8220;Well, that&#8217;s not a surprise because the polls are showing we&#8217;re not doing as well there, evidently, as we would like to.&#8221; which echo&#8217;s the line said to the <a href=\"http:\/\/voices.washingtonpost.com\/44\/2008\/10\/02\/mccain_pulls_out_of_michigan.html\">Washington Post<\/a> by a senior McCain campaign advisor the day before &#8211; &#8220;The numbers have been bad in Michigan for some time,&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>Now, had Sarah Palin been more accessible to the media during the campaign, and she had commented to a reporter on October 2nd, then she would be in the clear. But we know how tightly controlled her media appearances were kept, and there doesn&#8217;t appear to be any record of her talking to anyone else but Cameron between the time she was informed of the decision to ditch Michigan and the interview.<\/p>\n<p>Point &#8211; Sullivan.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<div style=\"padding-bottom:20px; padding-top:10px;\" class=\"hupso-share-buttons\"><!-- Hupso Share Buttons - https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/ --><a class=\"hupso_toolbar\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/\"><img src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/buttons\/share-medium.png\" style=\"border:0px; padding-top: 5px; float:left;\" alt=\"Share Button\"\/><\/a><script type=\"text\/javascript\">var hupso_services_t=new Array(\"Twitter\",\"Facebook\",\"Google Plus\",\"Pinterest\",\"Linkedin\",\"StumbleUpon\",\"Digg\",\"Reddit\",\"Bebo\",\"Delicious\");var hupso_background_t=\"#EAF4FF\";var hupso_border_t=\"#66CCFF\";var hupso_toolbar_size_t=\"medium\";var hupso_image_folder_url = \"\";var hupso_url_t=\"\";var hupso_title_t=\"Fisking%20Andrew%20Sullivan\";<\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/js\/share_toolbar.js\"><\/script><!-- Hupso Share Buttons --><\/div><p>First, let me say that I have no problem with reasonable criticism and fact check when it comes to ANY political candidate celebrity type person, of the like of Barrack Obama or Sarah Palin. Sullivan has this THING about Palin that just grinds his gears. He can&#8217;t get her out of his system. Some of [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[27],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2449"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=2449"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2449\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2452,"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2449\/revisions\/2452"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=2449"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=2449"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=2449"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}