{"id":6559,"date":"2011-11-22T16:09:22","date_gmt":"2011-11-22T16:09:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/?p=6559"},"modified":"2011-11-22T19:14:31","modified_gmt":"2011-11-22T19:14:31","slug":"its-early-christmas-again-climategate-2-0","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/?p=6559","title":{"rendered":"It&#8217;s Early Christmas &#8211; Again!     Climategate 2.0    (Updates to follow)"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"padding-bottom:20px; padding-top:10px;\" class=\"hupso-share-buttons\"><!-- Hupso Share Buttons - https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/ --><a class=\"hupso_toolbar\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/\"><img src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/buttons\/share-medium.png\" style=\"border:0px; padding-top: 5px; float:left;\" alt=\"Share Button\"\/><\/a><script type=\"text\/javascript\">var hupso_services_t=new Array(\"Twitter\",\"Facebook\",\"Google Plus\",\"Pinterest\",\"Linkedin\",\"StumbleUpon\",\"Digg\",\"Reddit\",\"Bebo\",\"Delicious\");var hupso_background_t=\"#EAF4FF\";var hupso_border_t=\"#66CCFF\";var hupso_toolbar_size_t=\"medium\";var hupso_image_folder_url = \"\";var hupso_url_t=\"\";var hupso_title_t=\"It%27s%20Early%20Christmas%20-%20Again%21%20%20%20%20%20Climategate%202.0%20%20%20%20%28Updates%20to%20follow%29\";<\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/js\/share_toolbar.js\"><\/script><!-- Hupso Share Buttons --><\/div><p>It&#8217;s happened again; the release of climate scientists e-mails. Here <a href=\"http:\/\/noconsensus.wordpress.com\/2011\/11\/22\/climategate-2-0\/\">is the best round-up<\/a> so far.<\/p>\n<p>On politics and climate science:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Thorne:<\/p>\n<p>I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it<br \/>\nwhich for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote><p>Humphrey\/DEFRA:<\/p>\n<p>I can\u2019t overstate the HUGE amount of political interest in the project as a<br \/>\nmessage that the Government can give on climate change to help them tell their<br \/>\nstory. They want the story to be a very strong one and don\u2019t want to be made<br \/>\nto look foolish.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Verifying the Wegman report on the closed circle within climate science:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p> Carter:<\/p>\n<p>It seems that a few people have a very strong say, and no matter how much<br \/>\ntalking goes on beforehand, the big decisions are made at the eleventh hour by<br \/>\na select core group.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote><p>Jones:<\/p>\n<p>Getting people we know and trust [into IPCC] is vital \u2013 hence my comment about<br \/>\nthe tornadoes group.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote><p> Jones:<\/p>\n<p>There shouldn\u2019t be someone else at UEA with different views [from &#8220;recent<br \/>\nextreme weather is due to global warming&#8221;] \u2013 at least not a climatologist.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>On the recent flap on the amount of warming in Antarctica<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Steig:<\/p>\n<p>He\u2019s skeptical that the warming is as great as we show in East Antarctica \u2014 he<br \/>\nthinks the \u201cright\u201d answer is more like our detrended results in the<br \/>\nsupplementary text [which is much lower]. I cannot argue he is wrong.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Anyone else notice how much press unusual weather events and <del datetime=\"2011-11-22T15:11:09+00:00\">global warming<\/del> <del datetime=\"2011-11-22T15:11:09+00:00\">climate change<\/del> climate disruption has been getting lately?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p> Lorenzoni:<\/p>\n<p>I agree with the importance of extreme events as foci for public and<br \/>\ngovernmental opinion [&#8230;] \u2018climate change\u2019 needs to be present in people\u2019s<br \/>\ndaily lives. They should be reminded that it is a continuously occurring and<br \/>\nevolving phenomenon<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And, finally, on those who don&#8217;t tow the party line:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Tolleris: <\/p>\n<p>The point is not that the scientists disagree among themselves but that they publicly proclaim from the rooftops that the science is settled and anyone who questions them is a bone-headed denier oil-lobby funded hooligan.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>None of this means that global warming isn&#8217;t happening. However, it is important to show that the science of climate has become politicized, and the IPCC is more a political organization than a scientific one. Climate science, as a whole, is ruled more by politics than science.<\/p>\n<p>There will of course be a lot more to this story. Stay tuned.<\/p>\n<p><strong>UPDATE<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>Oh, this doesn&#8217;t look good!<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Bradley:<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m sure you agree\u2013the Mann\/Jones GRL paper was truly pathetic and should never have been published. I don\u2019t want to be associated with that 2000 year \u201creconstruction\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>Cook:<\/p>\n<p>I am afraid that Mike is defending something that increasingly cannot be defended. He is investing too much personal stuff in this and not letting the science move ahead.<\/p>\n<p>Barnett:<\/p>\n<p>[IPCC AR5 models] clearly, some tuning or very good luck involved. I doubt the modeling world will be able to get away with this much longer<\/p>\n<p>Jones:<\/p>\n<p>Basic problem is that all models are wrong \u2013 not got enough middle and low level clouds.<\/p>\n<p>Jones:<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the process<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Once again, Jones advocating deletion of e-mails.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Phil:<\/p>\n<p>Here are a few other thoughts. From looking at Climate Audit every few days,these people are not doing what I would call academic research. Also from looking they will not stop with the data, but will continue to ask for the original unadjusted data (which we don\u2019t have) and then move onto the software used to produce the gridded data sets (the ones we do release).<br \/>\nCRU is considered by the climate community as a data centre, but we don\u2019t have any resources to undertake this work. Any work we have done in the past is done on the back of the research grants we get \u2013 <strong>and has to be well hidden. I\u2019ve discussed this with the main funder (US Dept of Energy) in the past and they are happy about not releasing the original station data.<\/strong>\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Got it? The Government, which is supposed to be in favor of the Freedom O Information statutes, is behind our backs scheming to keep this hidden! This isn&#8217;t top secret stuff here, it&#8217;s climate data. Why hide it? <\/p>\n<p><strong>UPDATE 2<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Any always has to be spun as a underhanded plot funded by &#8220;Big Oil&#8221;. Example:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:03:05 -0400<br \/>\nfrom: \u201cMichael E. Mann\u201d<br \/>\nsubject: Re: Something not to pass on<br \/>\nto: Phil Jones<\/p>\n<p>Phil,<\/p>\n<p>I would not respond to this. They will misrepresent and take out of<br \/>\ncontext anything you give them. This is a set up. They will certainly<br \/>\npublish this, and will ignore any evidence to the contrary that you<br \/>\nprovide. s They are going after Wei-Chyung because he\u2019s U.S. and there<br \/>\nis a higher threshold for establishing libel. Nonetheless, he should<br \/>\nconsider filing a defamation lawsuit, perhaps you too.<\/p>\n<p><strong>I have been talking w\/ folks in the states about finding an<br \/>\ninvestigative journalist to investigate and expose McIntyre, and his<br \/>\nthusfar unexplored connections with fossil fuel interests<\/strong>.Perhaps the<br \/>\nsame needs to be done w\/ this Keenan guy.<\/p>\n<p>I believe that the only way to stop these people is by exposing them and<br \/>\ndiscrediting them.<\/p>\n<p>Do you mind if I send this on to Gavin Schmidt (w\/ a request to respect<br \/>\nthe confidentiality with which you have provided it) for his additional<br \/>\nadvice\/thoughts? He usually has thoughtful insights wiith respect to<br \/>\nsuch matters,<\/p>\n<p>mike<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Mann is feverishly blocking FOIA and court ordered email releases from his time at the University of Virginia along with his current employment at Penn State. I wonder if the communications with private investigators is one of the things he&#8217;s trying to hide?. <\/p>\n<p><strong>UPDATE 3<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>Bradley:<\/p>\n<p><strong>I\u2019m sure you agree\u2013the Mann\/Jones GRL paper was truly pathetic and should<br \/>\nnever have been published. I don\u2019t want to be associated with that 2000 year<br \/>\n\u201creconstruction\u201d.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Osborn:<\/p>\n<p>Because <strong>how can we be critical of Crowley for throwing out 40-years in the<br \/>\nmiddle of his calibration, when we\u2019re throwing out all post-1960 data \u2018cos the<br \/>\nMXD has a non-temperature signal in it<\/strong>, and also all pre-1881 or pre-1871 data<br \/>\n\u2018cos the temperature data may have a non-temperature signal in it!<\/p>\n<p>Esper:<\/p>\n<p>Now, you Keith complain about the way we introduced our result, while saying it<br \/>\nis an important one. [&#8230;] the IPCC curve needs to be improved according to<br \/>\nmissing long-term declining trends\/signals, which were removed (by<br \/>\ndendrochronologists!) before Mann merged the local records together. So, why<br \/>\ndon\u2019t you want to let the result into science?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Cook:<\/p>\n<p><strong>I am afraid that Mike is defending something that increasingly can not be<br \/>\ndefended. He is investing too much personal stuff in this and not letting the<br \/>\nscience move ahead.<\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Here is one I find quite interesting.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Trenberth:<\/p>\n<p>I think he [Chris Landsea] has behaved irresponsibly and ought to be fired by NOAA for not have an open enough mind to even consider that climate change might be affecting hurricanes<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Trenberth has, to date stated emphatically that hurricanes are becoming more intense due to global warming, even though there much debate over whether the storms are more intense and is no confirmed peer reviewed link to this phenomenon. Yet, he wants a fellow scientist fired because he is following what the actual science is saying. This attitude is why Landsea <a href=\"http:\/\/www.climatechangefacts.info\/ClimateChangeDocuments\/LandseaResignationLetterFromIPCC.htm\">resigned from the IPCC<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>BTW, here is what <a href=\"http:\/\/voices.washingtonpost.com\/capitalweathergang\/2010\/02\/new_hurricanes_study_unites_fo.html\">the latest science from hurricane experts<\/a> says about hurricanes and global warming;<\/p>\n<p>The new study refines the findings of the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report of 2007, which put more weight on what, at the time, were new studies that showed the existence of detectable trends in storm intensity, particularly in the North Atlantic.<\/p>\n<p>Given advances in scientific understanding and computer modeling since the IPCC report was prepared, <strong>the new study found that uncertainties in tropical cyclone observations are too large to conclude that there has already been a detectable increase in storm intensity, although they noted that several studies have found such trends in some areas.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Which was Landsea&#8217;s contention all along.<\/p>\n<p>And, lastly, On Real Climate:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Mann:<\/p>\n<p>the important thing is to make sure they\u2019re loosing the PR battle. That\u2019s what<br \/>\nthe site [Real Climate] is about.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Real Climate&#8217;s first goal is PR, not science, as so many are fond of believing.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<div style=\"padding-bottom:20px; padding-top:10px;\" class=\"hupso-share-buttons\"><!-- Hupso Share Buttons - https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/ --><a class=\"hupso_toolbar\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/\"><img src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/buttons\/share-medium.png\" style=\"border:0px; padding-top: 5px; float:left;\" alt=\"Share Button\"\/><\/a><script type=\"text\/javascript\">var hupso_services_t=new Array(\"Twitter\",\"Facebook\",\"Google Plus\",\"Pinterest\",\"Linkedin\",\"StumbleUpon\",\"Digg\",\"Reddit\",\"Bebo\",\"Delicious\");var hupso_background_t=\"#EAF4FF\";var hupso_border_t=\"#66CCFF\";var hupso_toolbar_size_t=\"medium\";var hupso_image_folder_url = \"\";var hupso_url_t=\"\";var hupso_title_t=\"It%27s%20Early%20Christmas%20-%20Again%21%20%20%20%20%20Climategate%202.0%20%20%20%20%28Updates%20to%20follow%29\";<\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/js\/share_toolbar.js\"><\/script><!-- Hupso Share Buttons --><\/div><p>It&#8217;s happened again; the release of climate scientists e-mails. Here is the best round-up so far. On politics and climate science: Thorne: I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run. Humphrey\/DEFRA: I can\u2019t overstate [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[12],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6559"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=6559"}],"version-history":[{"count":21,"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6559\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":6580,"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6559\/revisions\/6580"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=6559"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=6559"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=6559"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}