{"id":8396,"date":"2014-01-07T21:40:03","date_gmt":"2014-01-07T21:40:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/?p=8396"},"modified":"2014-01-07T21:40:03","modified_gmt":"2014-01-07T21:40:03","slug":"note-to-conservatives-you-cant-debunk-a-story-debunking-your-talking-points-by-using-those-same-talking-point-to-debunk-the-story-debunking-you","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/?p=8396","title":{"rendered":"Note To Conservatives &#8211; You Can&#8217;t Debunk A Story Debunking Your Talking Points By Using Those Same Talking Point To Debunk The Story Debunking You!"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"padding-bottom:20px; padding-top:10px;\" class=\"hupso-share-buttons\"><!-- Hupso Share Buttons - https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/ --><a class=\"hupso_toolbar\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/\"><img src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/buttons\/share-medium.png\" style=\"border:0px; padding-top: 5px; float:left;\" alt=\"Share Button\"\/><\/a><script type=\"text\/javascript\">var hupso_services_t=new Array(\"Twitter\",\"Facebook\",\"Google Plus\",\"Pinterest\",\"Linkedin\",\"StumbleUpon\",\"Digg\",\"Reddit\",\"Bebo\",\"Delicious\");var hupso_background_t=\"#EAF4FF\";var hupso_border_t=\"#66CCFF\";var hupso_toolbar_size_t=\"medium\";var hupso_image_folder_url = \"\";var hupso_url_t=\"\";var hupso_title_t=\"Note%20To%20Conservatives%20-%20You%20Can%27t%20Debunk%20A%20Story%20Debunking%20Your%20Talking%20Points%20By%20Using%20Those%20Same%20Talking%20Point%20To%20Debunk%20The%20Story%20Debunking%20You%21\";<\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/js\/share_toolbar.js\"><\/script><!-- Hupso Share Buttons --><\/div><p>This is a post i meant to write when the Breitbart article first came to my attention last week, but with the holidays and all&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>OK. Here&#8217;s the Breitbart story and headline: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.breitbart.com\/Big-Peace\/2013\/12\/30\/Obama-administration-in-pre-edited-talking-points-Al-Qaeda-was-behind-Benghazi-attack\">Obama Administration in Pre-Edited Talking Points: Al Qaeda Behind Benghazi Attack<\/a>!<\/p>\n<p>Um&#8230; I read this twice to make sure I&#8217;m not missing something. The story does not match the headline.<\/p>\n<p>This is what the story says is the pre-edited analysis and conclusion of the Congressional testimony:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Kirkpatrick\u2019s writings also contradict the Obama administration and intelligence community themselves \u2013 including a now-former White House official involved in the talking points issue who has touted Kirkpatrick\u2019s story as some kind of saving grace for himself.<\/p>\n<p>Months and months of congressional investigation have uncovered internal Obama administration and intelligence community communications that show the administration did believe al Qaeda-affiliated organizations were involved in the attack.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cThe crowd almost certainly was a mix of individuals from across many sectors of Libyan society,\u201d the second talking point on page four reads. \u201cThat being said, we do know that Islamic extremists with ties to al-Qa&#8217;ida participated in the attack.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The document is a communication marked \u201cconfidential\u201d between a number of different intelligence community officials, including some from the CIA. In it, the author, whose name is redacted, indicates that the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) \u201chas asked for unclassified points immediately that they can use in talking to the media.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Got it?<\/p>\n<p><em>&#8220;the administration did believe al Qaeda-affiliated organizations were involved in the attack.&#8221;<\/em> and <em>&#8220;we do know that Islamic extremists with ties to al-Qa&#8217;ida participated in the attack.\u201d<\/em> is NOT the same as al Qaeda being BEHIND the attacks.<\/p>\n<p>As is usual with Breitbart and FOX, they mislead with the headline and that itself becomes a new talking point.<\/p>\n<p>Breitbart is relying on old incomplete evidence, some of which are initials CIA estimates which were very incomplete at the time. If Breitbart wants to break the back of the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/projects\/2013\/benghazi\/#\/?chapt=0\">New York Times story<\/a>, they need to show that the following:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The only intelligence connecting Al Qaeda to the attack was an intercepted phone call that night from a participant in the first wave of the attack to a friend in another African country who had ties to members of Al Qaeda, according to several officials briefed on the call. But when the friend heard the attacker\u2019s boasts, he sounded astonished, the officials said, suggesting he had no prior knowledge of the assault.<\/p>\n<p>Al Qaeda was having its own problems penetrating the Libyan chaos. Three weeks after the attack, on Oct. 3, 2012, leaders of the group\u2019s regional affiliate, Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, sent a letter to a lieutenant about efforts to crack the new territory. The leaders said they had sent four teams to try to establish footholds in Libya. But of the four, only two in the southern Sahara \u201cwere able to enter Libyan territory and lay the first practical bricks there,\u201d the letter said.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>A note the Breitbart, FOX, and the other Conservative &#8220;truth-tellers&#8221; &#8211; THAT PARAGRAPH ABOVE is the heart of the New York Times story. Break that with better evidence by actually, you know, investigating this on the ground, instead of re-re-re-hashing dated talking points from the right, and you have something. Otherwise, you just continueto look like the partisan outlets that you are.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<div style=\"padding-bottom:20px; padding-top:10px;\" class=\"hupso-share-buttons\"><!-- Hupso Share Buttons - https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/ --><a class=\"hupso_toolbar\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/\"><img src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/buttons\/share-medium.png\" style=\"border:0px; padding-top: 5px; float:left;\" alt=\"Share Button\"\/><\/a><script type=\"text\/javascript\">var hupso_services_t=new Array(\"Twitter\",\"Facebook\",\"Google Plus\",\"Pinterest\",\"Linkedin\",\"StumbleUpon\",\"Digg\",\"Reddit\",\"Bebo\",\"Delicious\");var hupso_background_t=\"#EAF4FF\";var hupso_border_t=\"#66CCFF\";var hupso_toolbar_size_t=\"medium\";var hupso_image_folder_url = \"\";var hupso_url_t=\"\";var hupso_title_t=\"Note%20To%20Conservatives%20-%20You%20Can%27t%20Debunk%20A%20Story%20Debunking%20Your%20Talking%20Points%20By%20Using%20Those%20Same%20Talking%20Point%20To%20Debunk%20The%20Story%20Debunking%20You%21\";<\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/js\/share_toolbar.js\"><\/script><!-- Hupso Share Buttons --><\/div><p>This is a post i meant to write when the Breitbart article first came to my attention last week, but with the holidays and all&#8230; OK. Here&#8217;s the Breitbart story and headline: Obama Administration in Pre-Edited Talking Points: Al Qaeda Behind Benghazi Attack! Um&#8230; I read this twice to make sure I&#8217;m not missing something. [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[43,60,21],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8396"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=8396"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8396\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":8397,"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8396\/revisions\/8397"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=8396"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=8396"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sonicfrog.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=8396"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}