Sometimes, the Global Warming debate gets pretty silly. Right now, you are hearing many on the pro-AGW side crowing about how the record breaking blizzard is proof of Global Warming, not exactly a great PR move when you think about it, since they in fact are the first to argue that weather does not equal climate…. except when it does of course. You are also seeing many on the skeptic side scoff at this notion, since cold equals snow, and how can global warming make things colder. And then one pro AGW guy comes out of the woodwork and proclaims:
You idiots know that Vancouver has barely been getting snow this year, right? So if I were to follow your retard logic of MORE SNOW EQUALS NO GLOBAL WARMING, then doesn’t that mean LESS SNOW EQUALS MORE GLOBAL WARMING?.
Newsflash – No snow in Vancouver IS NORMAL!!!!! Part of my family live in the Seattle area, which is in the same Marine West Coast Climate Zone. They don’t get much snow due to warmer air from the Pacific Ocean. Here is an article from The Vancouver Sun written in 2003:
Winter Olympics all wet?: Vancouver has the mildest climate of any Winter Games host city
Wed Jul 9 2003
By Chad Skelton, Vancouver Sun
When Vancouver plays host to the Olympic Games six-and-a-half years from now, it will mark a peculiar milestone — as the least wintery city ever to host the Winter Games.
Statistics compiled by The Vancouver Sun indicate that no city with a climate as mild as Vancouver’s has ever hosted the Winter Games.
Past Olympics have been held in picturesque, snowy towns full of residents bundled up in ski gear.
But world sports fans who turn on their TVs in 2010 will probably see the kind of winter Vancouverites know all too well: a cloudy, rainy city full of people carrying umbrellas.
In the month of February, when the Games will be held, Vancouver has an average temperature of 4.8 degrees Celsius. (Temperatures are obviously much lower on the mountains of Cypress and Whistler, where outdoor events will be held.)
In comparison, the average February temperature for past Winter Games cities is a chilly minus 2.3 — ranging from a mild 3.1 in Grenoble, France (host of the Games in 1968) to a frigid minus 9.4 in Lake Placid, New York (1932 and 1980).
“The typical view of a Winter Games is snow,” said Alex Carre, a professor of human kinetics at the University of B.C. and a member of the Canadian Olympic Committee. “It will be highly unusual [for athletes and spectators] to come to an environment where that isn’t the case… People will come here and say, ‘Gosh, where is the snow?’”
Most Winter Games cities are buried in snow every winter.
Calgary (1988) has an average annual snowfall of 135 centimetres. Salt Lake City (1992) clocks in at 163. And Nagano, Japan, (1998) gets an average dump of 175. Sapporo, Japan, (1972) gets 295 centimetres of snow per year and Lake Placid gets a whopping 420.
But Vancouver has an average snowfall of just 48 centimetres and — as most Vancouverites know — it is rare for even that small amount to stay on the ground for more than a couple of days.
Vancouver’s lack of snow will have no practical impact on the Games.
All the ski and snowboard events will be held at Whistler and Cypress Bowl (although international ski events at Whistler have been cancelled in the past due to mild weather). Those sports taking place in Vancouver itself are all indoor events, like ice skating and curling.
But Vancouver will be centre stage during the opening and closing ceremonies, and broadcasters are likely to use images of the city’s skyline as a backdrop between events.
And that skyline will probably not look very wintery.
The city’s peculiar weather could also come as a surprise to many of the athletes, media and spectators arriving here — most of whom likely won’t be warned about what kind of weather to expect.
“I’ve seen a couple of the promo films that [the Vancouver bid committee] have, and I didn’t see any rain in Vancouver,” said Carre. “I saw beautiful sunshine and snow on the hills. That is what [people] will expect. They won’t be coming with rain jackets, because they won’t have been informed to that extent.”
Vancouver is not the first Olympic city to face weather challenges.
During the 1988 Games, Calgary — which has an average February temperature of minus 7.9 degrees — experienced a snap warming phenomenon known as a chinook that, at one point, pushed temperatures up to 18 degrees.
The difference is that the warm weather in Calgary was an anomaly. Rainy, miserable weather in Vancouver is the norm.
“We’re unique in that we know that it’s likely going to rain in Vancouver,” said Carre. “The chances are more likely it’s going to rain than not. So what has to happen is the city has to be prepared to present itself in that kind of environment.”
Indeed, the biggest challenge the rainy weather could pose for Vancouver is how to promote the city as a tourist destination during what is one of the most miserable months of the year.
While there are likely to be at least a couple of nice, sunny days during the two-week event, there could also be plenty of days of driving rain and cloudy skies.
“It’s probably not the best time of year to showcase Vancouver in terms of the weather,” Carre said. “But you can certainly showcase the city in terms of the ocean, the mountains and the easy proximity to the snow.”
Walt Judas, a spokesman with Tourism Vancouver, said that while rainy weather is a constant complaint of Vancouver residents, most winter tourists don’t complain.
“Many folks from the U.S. expect us to be cold and blustery and snowed in. And they’re pleasantly surprised by the mild weather,” Judas said. “And this February, as an example, was a fabulous month. It was pretty beautiful.”
Judas adds that Vancouver has never been a weather-specific destination.
“If you want beautiful weather you go to Hawaii. If you want snow you got to Whistler.”
And Vancouver’s mild climate might even be a nice break for Olympic spectators.
“I think that is probably one of the attractive features of the Vancouver-Whistler bid,” Carre said. “That if you want to go for the snow you can drive [to Whistler] and be there in a short time period. And if you wish not to, you can stay in Vancouver with a mild temperature … I think there’s something to be said for having something different. We are unique.”
If you’re going to counter the “more snow proves no global warming” by using a “less snow equals global warming” example, you might want to pick a better example.